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That being said... Profanity, racial, ethnic, religious or cultural slurs, and disagreeable (that is, sustained, vicious or irrational) ranting or flaming are prohibited. Discussion subjects should be confined to those consistent with Lost Horizon's general philosophical mission-- the defense of Liberty and the Rule of Law. Anyone looking for something to talk about is invited to visit The Bulletin Board and the Editorial Archives for inspiration; and all participants interested in the "income" tax-- which tends to be a popular subject of discussion here-- are encouraged to read the posted comments on '"income" tax misunderstandings'. Related 'current event' topics are welcome. Regardless of the topic, posts should maintain a demeanor of dialogue or observation, rather than a harangue or disquisition. This is a forum, not a soapbox.
It is to be understood by all that anything posted to this Forum is solely the opinion of that participant; and no matter what may be read here, every individual is responsible for his or her own overall education, conclusions and decisions.
It must also be understood that some opinions expressed here-- even some expressed forcefully, prolifically and with great confidence-- are COMPLETE NONSENSE, if not outright deliberate efforts to mislead or misinform (observation of which will lead to the revocation of posting privileges).
The insistence of some in clinging to pet "theories" about Social Security numbers, citizenship or residency, OMB numbers, and innumerable other distractions from the truth-- especially in light of the complete absence of evidence of the veracity of these "theories" (and much evidence to the contrary), the complete disagreement of the law with such "theories", and the endlessly demonstrated, seamless, comprehensive and exclusive accuracy of what is taught on this site, and in CtC-- is astonishing, to say the least. Click here for more on this important subject.
Visitors are strongly encouraged to keep this in mind, and to read 'Cracking the Code'-- and all the material throughout losthorizons.com (particularly the FAQ pages and the "Misunderstandings" section)-- for themselves, in order to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Participants are required to do so.
Understand clearly: The forums do not exist to provide venues in which some folks can be made to spend their time and energy explaining to others why various notions, theories or silver-bullets which appear nowhere either in CtC or on this site (but are nonetheless floating around-- or raging through-- the "tax honesty" community) are incorrect or irrelevant.
I will say as plainly as possible what I have by necessity said many times before, but usually with more circumspection (and can't seem to say often enough): Any and all notions concerning the nature of the "income" tax-- how it is applied, why it can be thus applied, how it interfaces with the legal system and so forth-- which are not taught in CtC or on this site (exclusive of forum posts, of course) are just inherently wrong or are entirely irrelevant to the tax. They are raised or promoted either in ignorance or for ill purposes.
Such notions should not be debated or discussed-- doing either is a waste of valuable time and energy. There is one kind of simple response that is appropriate when presented with "alternative" or "supplemental" notions of this sort:
If this gentle approach isn't effective, direct your correspondent to 'The Deniers Page'. If that doesn't suffice, let me know so that I can remove this individual-- now revealed as either uneducable or a deliberate "agent provocateur"-- from the forum.
Keep in mind that those who wish to keep the truth spinning its wheels, and making as little forward progress as possible, routinely and systematically exploit two basic human foibles:
1. The natural tendency of those whose education is incomplete to mistake sporadic, creative (and carefully indirect)-- but well publicized-- tax agency resistance to a few educated filings as meaning that there is some piece of the puzzle missing (imagining that otherwise, the generations-old scam that even now continues to successfully bamboozle 180 million Americans 24/7 would have just thrown in the towel and abandoned the field, rather than continue to cast about for some silver-bullet of its own that will frighten or confuse students of the truth into retreat or disarray); and
2. The equally natural tendency of everyone to be attracted to notions that are presented as, or appear to be, resistance-risk-reducing tricks or short-cuts.
Thus, there is a constant effort to seed the "tax honesty" community (and CtC forums directly) with notions designed to invoke both of these unfortunate tendencies in order to distract forum participants from their primary purposes of:
I rely on
everyone posting here to help keep this forum in focus, and productive.
Posts amounting to offenses of the sort described above, persistent
straying from the three primary purposes of the forum, or evidence of a
failure to keep current with the Lost Horizons newsletters may result in
removal from the forum without prior notice.
On a related note, absolutely no inferences are to be drawn from my participating, or not participating in a thread; or responding or not responding to a post (which would be exclusively as 'PH' or 'ForumAdmin'-- I do not use any pseudonyms). I cannot and will not participate in every thread or respond to every post, even those that request such a response. When I do, it is generally more a matter of timing than of the virtue of the thread or post. Indeed, I do not even read all posts. I'm just one man, and there are only so many hours in the day.
Some Notes For Those Trying To Join The National CtC Forum
Has your national forum registration not been approved? It's probably just because I'm not recognizing you! If you've filled out the registration form and aren't able to log in within 24 hours, send me an email with your log-in info so I know who you are and can give your participation proper consideration! That "consideration" includes-- indeed, largely rests upon-- whether I know you to be a CtC-educated person. Participation in this forum is limited to such persons.
Having trouble with the registration form, or logging on even though you are already registered ? Always access the forum through www.losthorizons.com/Forum/index.html only, to prevent such problems (you might want to bookmark this link).
Some Notes For Those Trying To Join A State CtC Forum
If you're trying to join your home state forum and having trouble, you may be going about it incorrectly. The ONLY way to join a CtC state forum-- including the Google-group versions-- is by submitting the request specified at www.losthorizons.com/tax/StateGroups.htm precisely as instructed on that page.
Once you have applied for membership in a state group, you will receive a "Welcome" message within a few weeks either from me directly, or through a "noreply"@"googlegroups.com email (depending on which type of group I have created for your state). You must carefully read through this message, and follow all the instructions therein exactly in order to be able to participate in the group. (If your "Welcome" message is for my invitation to a Google group, bear in mind that a "gmail account" is NOT the kind of Google account that is needed to participate in a Google group.)
IF YOU'VE ALREADY APPLIED TO JOIN A STATE GROUP AND ARE WONDERING WHY YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY GROUP EMAILS, you probably applied for a state forum for which I have set up a "Google group" but haven't ever accepted the invitation to join!
Completing the application for those groups (which currently include Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Utah Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin) requires clicking on the link in the "Welcome" email that says "You can accept this invitation by...".
Doing so will bring up a page with an option on the left to "Sign in to GoogleGroups". Click there.
On the page that comes up, either enter your pre-existing Google account information, or click the button that says, "Create an account" and go through the account-creation process.
When you click on the "finish" (or "continue") button or link, you will be taken to a page that asks you to click a link in order to accept the invitation to join the group. Do so.
Now you will see a page that lets you pick how group posts will be sent to you (daily, weekly, never, etc.). When you have finished making your selections on that page, you will be taken to the group forum and can begin posting and reading.
IF YOU TRY TO LOG IN TO THE GROUP SITE and see the message that "you cannot view the group content or participate in the group because you are not currently a member", you must click the "Sign in to Google Groups" link on that page in order to proceed to where you can accept the invitation to join the group by going through the process described above.
IF YOU CAN'T FIND THE ORIGINAL "WELCOME" MESSAGE YOU RECEIVED, go to http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg. In the top search field type the name of the group to which you applied (i.e. GeorgiaCtCWarriors, NewYorkCtCWarriors-- others will use the same format). Click on the "Search groups" button alongside that field. On the page that is invoked, click the hyperlink that consists of the group name and nothing else (That is, NOT the one that says "Groups matching NewYorkCtCWarriors"). That will take you to a page that tells you that "you cannot view the group content or participate in the group because you are not currently a member". You must click the "Sign in to Google Groups" link on that page in order to proceed to where you can accept the invitation to join the group (this will involve creating a Google group account if you don't already have one). NOTE: You must use the same email address to create your account and/or log-in that you provided when first applying to me for the group.
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